Kolava-mun vs DaemonicSeraphim

[Kolava]

Rob87DM: {{I feel like I've missed something}}
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Yer leader's an idiot. And I'm getting all of GoldenMyst
ignored by all who RP.))
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Rob87DM: {{That's a pretty bold undertaking, considering how vague your
motivation is}}
DaemonicSeraphim: ((To you and your kind. To you and your kind.))
Rob87DM: {{What do you mean by that?}}
TreeSwordsmen777: ::Keep a close peek on the king of goldenmyst or he shall
die::
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DaemonicSeraphim: ((Only to you and your friends and little member mates.
You devour every scrap of false information given to you from an idiot leader
whom has proven himself a coward on more then one occasion. He'd rather face
being removed from
DaemonicSeraphim: all of RP then actually deal with defeat from me.))
Rob87DM: {{I trust you've considered the possibility that we enjoy our RP,
and care very little about the opinions strangers hold in regards to it?}}
DaemonicSeraphim: ((If you enjoy being a coward then so be it. But you see
what being a coward gets you. Blacklisted.))
Rob87DM: {{--but then again, I can't be sure; your words don't sound like
they come from someone who understands this notion very well}}
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Considering yer more then slow on the uptake of things
and obviously don't grasp the true form of RPing then the one trying to
comprehend things are you and your lot. ))
Rob87DM: {{Perhaps this is true. Perhaps we are stumbling towards disaster
with our heads alternatively in the clouds or up our own asses. I, of course,
don't believe this is the case, but one must always consider the
possibility}}
Rob87DM: {{I have paid your side of the argument a lot of thought, but none
of it has proven productive in any way. When I consider your motivation, I
see only spite. When I consider your leverage, I see only threats to deprive
us of
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StainedBlade: (Your doing it now?!!)
Rob87DM: something we never used to start with. Worst of all, when I try to
have a logical debate with you, I am met with repetative threats and an
overall lack of cooperation.}}
DaemonicSeraphim: ((You don't see it, because you don't want to see it. You
see spite where my character is just doing what he does. Someone pisses him
off he kills and obliterates. And as far as the logical debate goes, I see no
logic in what yer
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DaemonicSeraphim: trying ot say other then. "We're right leave us alone
because yer wrong." And I have yet to actually give a threat other then
stating that yer king is an idiot. And that in his idiocy he has doomed you
all. And no lack of
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DaemonicSeraphim: coopoeration. Just a lack of caring for one who's so
patriotic to a fallen kingdom and an idiot king.))
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Rob87DM: {{I strongly agree with at least one point there: our position is,
more or less, "leave us alone". What you percieve as cowardice from our
leader is merely a lack of patience from a very mature mun who doesn't want
to deal with you}
Rob87DM: {{Before you grow defensive about your rights as a mun, allow me to
drive home one very pertinent fact}}
Rob87DM: {{AOL is a medium for RP, not an RP setting. To assume that
characters are universal and that by creating a character you are endowed
with a right to do whatever you wish is not only incorrect, it is pure
arrogance}}
DaemonicSeraphim: ((He's far from mature. And as far as it goes with you
kissing his ass, it's sad. Things happen you can't always control. Such as
war and violence. I don't know what kinda crap he's been spoon feeding you
but you seem to be eating
DaemonicSeraphim: it up gladly. And what you are speaking of is mun consent
and rules of engagement. Which are all debateable. And characters are given
the same rights as actual people. They are able to do whatever it is they
want. But actions come
DaemonicSeraphim: with consequences. Which is not only real, but is and has
happened. And for you to continually state that what I do is arrogance, try
and see things for what they are rather then what you want them to be and
you'll be ok.))
Rob87DM: {{I've mentioned arrogance only once, and I look regretfully upon
that one time. You'll have to agree I've been, if nothing else, civil during
our discourse so far}}
Rob87DM: {{Anyway, you certainly seem to enjoy having a character who is a
ruthless killing machine, and I have no qualm with this--I'm glad you have
fun RPing--but your attempts to become to embodiment of this concept of
"consequences wheth
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Again. That is on;y what you wish to think.))
DaemonicSeraphim: only*
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Rob87DM: -er you like it or not" is rediculous because it flies in the face
of what RP stands for. The members of this community, as do presumably all
RPers, spend their valuable time online to have fun, not to be reminded of
the ineluctable
Rob87DM: consequences if they don't wish to be}}
Rob87DM: to become the*
Rob87DM: {{Your entire position of "I'm going to punish all of you because I
feel like you need to be punished" is

[Kolava]

inherently without foundation, because
you are speaking as a representative of a larger community to which we have
few ties}}
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Yer a funny guy. I'll give you that much. The character
I play isn't even mine. I borrow it from a good friend of mine. And he is far
from a killing machine, but a civil and well minded person that protects and
and all whom ask of
Rob87DM: {{Then I apologise for my assumption; it was merely to make a
point, not the crux of my argument}}
DaemonicSeraphim: it. But the fact remains that when you do things they have
consequences. And even in RP to say there aren't consequences or to not
accept them is cowardice and moding. Which both are the cases of your leader
and many members of the
DaemonicSeraphim: court. I don't do things because I feel like someone needs
to be punished. I do things because someone has done something to me or to a
friend of mine. Nothing more, nothing less. Which is the case with this
specific situation. So
DaemonicSeraphim: yes. I do have a foundation, despite what you may think of
it. And yes. A cause and good reason to take th course of action in which I
have taken. I have yet to see any among your number to even try and have a
good reason to simply
Rob87DM: {{cowardice is subjective; furthermore, even if you prove, without
a doubt, that we are cowards, you still have no grounds on which to punish
us. Your only right as a mun, and indeed the only right you need, is not play
with us}}
Rob87DM: is to*
DaemonicSeraphim: follow blindly a coward whom hides in a corner, bending
rules to try and make things to his betterment. It is not the act of your
being cowards in which I do what I am doing, but the act of being attacked
without just cause and
DaemonicSeraphim: then repeated attacks in which I lay claim to GoldenMyst.
As I said. I don't know what he's been feeding you, but it ain't the truth.))
Rob87DM: {{These attacks, this is not the first I've heard of them--and yet
I haven't yet been given details that were not proven afterwards to be either
stretched or outright falsehoods}}
Rob87DM: {{You can claim Nicho is lying, but niether you nor he have any
proof, so I give him the benefit of the doubt}}
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Well, I shouldn't say me as opposed to a close friend of
mine. The true player to the character I have. Faust attacked me as did he.
And there you stand being bias with your opinion considering the fact that
you follow him. And
DaemonicSeraphim: another thing. I will tell you that I don't lie. Not on
the internet anyway, seeing as people can simply copy what you have and keep
it as a record. And with the case of multiple people being in the mix. And
for further proof of
DaemonicSeraphim: this. You can ask a member of your own court.))
Rob87DM: {{back from afk}}
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Rob87DM: {{You may be the most honest person on the Earth, but anyone can
claim this title. I'm sorry, but without proof, I can't trust a complete
stranger.}}
Gelina Grey: (::raises a brow reading Kolava's ooc comment:: )
Gelina Grey: (Did I miss something?)
Rob87DM: {{With this in mind, don't take offense when I don't believe your
story. If you really want to sway me, try giving me some proof with a bit
more tangibility...such as a log? But of course, you never logged any of
these attacks}}
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Don't need to. Like I said. Ask Faust and Nicho and Kali
Darkstar. As well as Souls Combined.))
Gelina Grey: (Ask them what? I want to know what is going on. I have a
feeling that I should know)
Rob87DM: {{You don't need to give me a log? Why would you refrain from
silencing my doubts once and for all, and, instead, refer me to a supposedly
untrustworthy source?}}
Rob87DM: {{Again, I apologise if I am assuming too much, but I'm starting to
get the feeling that there are no logs}}
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Which is also sad considering the fact that you have no
proof of his innocence and yet cling to his everyword as if it were gold. And

[Kolava]

as another way to determine my word is ask XChris UnknownX. Another known
member of this place.
DaemonicSeraphim: ))
Rob87DM: {{That approach is flawed. Innocent until proven guilty is
standard, especially when it deals with such severe matters as actually
acusing the King, whose record is blemish-free, of being a lieng coward}}
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DaemonicSeraphim: ((Uh-huh.))
DaemonicSeraphim: ((More of you being bias.))
TAILS825: ((what's happening?))
DaemonicSeraphim: ((I'm bashing the name of yer king and laying claim to
all.)
DaemonicSeraphim: ))*
TAILS825: ((you are a moder among moders...))
Gelina Grey: (WHOA back the F up...who the hell are you and why in the hell
are you bashing Nicho? )
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Not really.))
Rob87DM: {{Do not use the term "bias" so loosely in your counter remarks.
I've yet to show any bias, and I challenge you to prove otherwise}}
TAILS825: ((Gelina, he's this loser who wants to lay siege to Gm using his
rules n not ours))
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Yer rules are flawed. And the only real loser here is
you for not even knowing how to truly RP.))
TAILS825: ((misconception right there, that it is.))
Gelina Grey: (oh this is the one that I have been told about. I get it now.
::falls off her chair giggling her butt off:: )
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Not really. ))
TAILS825: ((You have not seen me rp in "your way"))
Rob87DM: {{Another flawed statement. We have fun when we RP, and therefore
are doing it correctly regardless of your views}}
TAILS825: ((So you cannot rightfully accuse me of not knowing how to rp))
TAILS825: ((And there are several WAYS to rp, so you would have to be
specific in your remark.))
Gelina Grey: (this is the moder that came out of the woodwork while I was
away)
Rob87DM: {{Kat-mun, that's unecisary. He's baiting you into defending
yourself on a non-existant topic}}
Gelina Grey: (then if you rp so well how about taking it IC? )
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Again. Not really. Things have standards and rules. And
as far as that goes Tails. I have. And I wanna know on what grounds do you
cowards call me a moder?))
Rob87DM: {{You haven't met my challenge yet, actually. You aren't in a
position to make one of your own yet}}
DaemonicSeraphim: ((I'm already IC G. In the main room. Rest is up to you.))
Rob87DM: {{Do not use IC as a shield to hide behind. This issue is entirely
OOC}}
Gelina Grey: (I have yet to see an IC post from you so how would I know? )
TAILS825: ((So resorts to using insults to try and prove points... the true
honorable person fights not with foul words.))
Gelina Grey: ( I just wanted to know who he was. ::shrugs and goes IC
dragging Kat mun with her:: )
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Considering the fact that you follow Nicho and are above
all just saying that he's right above all is bias. And I find it funny how
all of a sudden you need two more to come in and help you in the matter.
Especially when one
DaemonicSeraphim: doesn't even know what honor is.))
Rob87DM: {{Since you are outnumbered now I fear this conversation is growing
short, allow me to recap}}
Gelina Grey: (whoa dude...back up...I came in here to rp...not debate issues
OOC with you. )
TAILS825: ((*follows Gelina out of her free will* I refuse to have a battle
of wits with an unarmed opponent. COme Gelina.. let's rp in a civilized
manner))
Rob87DM: {{Your position as far as I gather: Nicho is a coward becuase he
won't let me take over his kingdom}}
Gelina Grey: (::nods to Kat mun:: )
Rob87DM: {{My position: You have entered our happy community out of no
where, spouting rules without foundation and threats without substance. Your
only weapons in this debate have been repitition and slander}}
TAILS825: ((*walks IC as she listens to Rob*))
DaemonicSeraphim: ((I could care less about taking over the kingdom to tell
the truth. I just want him dead. :-D and I got more wits then you'll ever
have half witted none knowing simpleton. And the rules I "Spout" have
foundation. But it seems that
Gelina Grey: ::emerging from her chambers she walks down the stairs and into
the main hall. her hair pulled back and braided loosely, her ivory dress
hanging to the floor covering those bare feet::
DaemonicSeraphim: it's another case of being bias. Considering all yer doing
is repeating yerself as well. So.....what was your point again?))
Rob87DM: {{Amazing. Even now, after having been called on your faults, you
continue unabated}}
TAILS825: (9Rob, do not argue with an idiot. he'll bring you down to his
level then beat you with experience.))
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Because I have no faults. You just wish to see them as
such. ))
Gelina Grey: (oh dear god)
DaemonicSeraphim: ((You would know, wouldn't you Kat?))
Rob87DM: {{Let me get this straight. You are not only perfect, but we
actually know nothing?}}
Gelina Grey: ::moves into the kitchen and makes herself a cup of tea then
walks back into the main hall and takes a seat in a chair by the fireplace::
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Never said I was perfect. Just stated that the issues
you seem to be pointing out as faults are false. And for the most part I was
directing my last comment towards Kat since she seems to always wanna place
in her two cents and
DaemonicSeraphim: then end up broke and overpsendng.))
TAILS825: ((if ignorance is bliss for you, Seraphim, then you must be
orgasmic))
DaemonicSeraphim: spending*
DaemonicSeraphim: ((If ignorance is bliss, then I live in a constant state
of agony from idiots like you.))
TAILS825: ((You are depriving some village of its idiot, Seraphim.))
Rob87DM: {{I'm glad I've kept a log of this conversation. If, as I browse
it, I find a hint of logic in anything you've posted, I'll let you know}}
Gelina Grey: (yeah...they called...they want you back. )
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Yes. You.))
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Reeeeeeeeeal smart one.))
DaemonicSeraphim: ((Wow. How long did it take you to come up with that
one?))
Gelina Grey: (::rolls eyes:: )
TAILS825: ((wow, you really ARE ignorant.... I specifically mentioned YOU
are depriving...damn))
Rob87DM: {{But this has degraded into sharp, pointless humor now, so I'll
take my leave}}
TAILS825: ((You really are stupid))
Rob87DM: {{Good night, hope you two get some RPing done, and I hope you
(Seraphim) come to your senses a bit for the next time we talk}}
Gelina Grey: ::seeing as the room was empty, she got up and made her way to
the library::
Gelina Grey: (ni ni Kolava mun)
Rob87DM: {{It's generally bad sportsmanship to leave before the other person
responds, so I'll stay until then in case you have something to say}}
DaemonicSeraphim: ((No. You stated that I was depriving a village of their
idiot. In which I stated that I was depriving a village of you. And in that
you stated after the fact that you made a direct comment towards me. So that
hints at yer own
DaemonicSeraphim: ignorance.))
Gelina Grey: (::scampers off to the library:: )
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Rob87DM: {{Apparantly not. Good night}}

(A brief IM convo afterwards)

DaemonicSeraphim [10:38 PM]: I ain't the one that needs to come to his senses. I'm not the one trying to find fault in all that another states and hide behind what you consider is right.
Rob87DM [10:38 PM]: Actually, you inherently are. That's the nature of any debate; being the first to point it out doesn't earn you any credit.
DaemonicSeraphim [10:39 PM]: I'm not. I'm finding fault in one's actions. Nicho did something and I responded to it. What you are doing is trying to find fault in my response to his action.
Rob87DM [10:40 PM]: I have every right to do so, especially if there is fault to find.
Rob87DM [10:40 PM]: Now, if you have anything else to say, e-mail it to me because I am heading offline now.
DaemonicSeraphim [10:40 PM]: I'll catch you later then.
DaemonicSeraphim [10:40 PM]: But.
DaemonicSeraphim [10:41 PM]: I will say this much. You are the only one out of that court I have any respect for.
DaemonicSeraphim [10:41 PM]: Now, with that said. Good noght.
DaemonicSeraphim [10:41 PM]: night*
Rob87DM [10:41 PM]: Probably because I defend myself with logic rather then anger--though you consistantly refrain from acknowledging my methods as actually being "logic"
DaemonicSeraphim [10:42 PM]: Because it isn't. And I have pointed that out as such. And the supposed anger you seem to think is there is simply ferver for my actions.
Rob87DM [10:43 PM]: good night
DaemonicSeraphim [10:43 PM]: Night.

[Kolava]

If I wasn't so tired I would format the log with spaces and color, but I think it is readible as-is. We are obviously dealing with a persistant and well-motivated individual, though his means and the source of his motivation remain obscured by his grating rudeness.

[LadyGelinaGrey]

The guy is a putz. LOL In specific...deliusional. ::just shakes her head:: He wouldn't even acknowledge me in the room...only Rob and Katrina. I was a bit puzzled by this ...but I assure you I didn't loose sleep over it.

[Desari mun to tired to log in]

::nods to her sister:: I would never loose sleep over an ass clown...So not worth it...And that guy Tree whatever...He threatened GoldenHorn too...Oh gods you can tell spring is coming...The ass clowns are loose...::reminds her of the smell of the pig farm:: PEWWW!

[Stoic Soul]

Ok, who were those guys, and why were they after Nicho. Especially that guy Daemonic Seraphim, who does he think he is coming into GM like that and making all sorts of comments and not a few threats. But I praise Kolava for keeping a cool head and showing the guy up as the fool he is

[King Nicho Klojhen]

He's after me because some char came into GoldenMyst and tried to kill Kali, (Syn's Fiancee) without rolling dice or making any attempt to respond to other people's attacks or imput. I told Kali just to ignore it, she was not dead. Then this clown comes in and challenges Nicho to a duel, either outposting or logic. I explained that we are a dice based guild, he refused to fight our way, so I told him he offered no challenge and booted him from the room.. He's been pissed off ever since.

[Stoic Soul]

Hes making all of these comments and threats because he didnt want to fight according to our rules: chuckles softly: the mun must either be insane or must be drunk off of his ass when he typed that

[LadyGelinaGrey]

No...just immature brat that didn't get his way and has nothing better to do with his loser life than come into our kingdom and be a dickhead.