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Post by Kolava on Feb 10, 2004 18:50:32 GMT -5
:: blinks :: Balls Nicho mun tell us how you really feel. My take on it. You screw up and they say your done. Guess what your done. Poof be gone bio**h I didn't notice this the first time around. What is this supposed to mean?
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Post by Cherise on Feb 10, 2004 19:10:57 GMT -5
Am I saying exceptions aren't being made? No. All I have to say is this. If it would have been a little known member who gathered up this rebellion, would we even be CONSIDERING letting them back into GM? No, we wouldn't. And I don't think that's right at all. We're all human.
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Post by PaulAVincent on Feb 10, 2004 19:49:59 GMT -5
All I have to say is this. If it would have been a little known member who gathered up this rebellion, would we even be CONSIDERING letting them back into GM? No, we wouldn't. Well... I'm not trying to openly disagree with you or anything, but on that note if it had been a little known member it would be different for many reasons. Caelum helped contribute to where GoldenMyst is today, which is why the discussion was brought up I believe. If it was a little known member who didn't do much for the kingdom than yeah, of course no one will care. On that note too though I don't know how many people have said that Caelum should nessassarily be let back in GoldenMyst, as opposed to being allowed to play. Should he be allowed to play in the room fairly? Yes, of course. If he was auto-booted on site without reason than I don't care who you are, I won't respect you as a RPer. I don't think anyone would do that though. But while we're on that topic I think one thing to be taken into consideration is this isn't really a "let Caelum back in" kind of thing, it's more people just discussing their opinions on the topic. I don't believe even if the character Caelum had the option to come back he would. His character felt strongly about what he was doing, he wouldn't turn his back on all that and ask for Nicho's forgiveness.
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Post by King Nicho Klojhen on Feb 10, 2004 20:59:44 GMT -5
Nicho is/was aware of the history between Summer and Riley. And had it been a matter of two members snarling at each other, he would have ignored the whole situation. However, Riley is not a member of GoldenMyst and was visiting at the time as an Ambassador from another kingdom.
If Caelum happened to return as an Ambassador to another kingdom, Nicho would expect others to treat him with courtesy, no matter their personal feelings about Caelum himself.
And yes, Paul, for Caelum to come back he would have to ask for forgiveness and swear to the king as his leige, which I don't really ever see happening.
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Post by Maggie_Draken on Feb 10, 2004 23:57:07 GMT -5
::Looks around:: Finally some intellegent discussion on the matter. I do not see Caelum coming back. But he did indeed help keep this kingdom afloat. What Caelum did he did with the heartfelt belief that he was doing the right thing. Yes, Maggie was with Caelum. But she could not stand to see Nicho hurt. Nicho her beloved charge, her nephew. Aside from that Maggie swore an oath not to the king or to Caelum but to GoldenMyst. The kingdom. The people. Which is probably why she has been in the village so much.
Should Maggie be banished? If she should be, do it, but that doesn't mean she still isn't going to do the best she can for the kingdom (in the limited amount of time I have to play). She is not going to stop working with Caelum. Talking to him, hell, loving him. He is family to her in a deep way.
What about Summer? Why was Riley even there at all during the election and stuff? Besides their history, Summer has pregnancy hormones. Where is she now? Does anyone know and care? Maggie does. Summer was alone. With no friends, no mother, nothing. In a beach house, in a sorry state. Her hair frizzy, nails broken, and thin as a rail.
Again I will say that this kingdom has set a presidence of allowing people to act shitty and come right back. To die dramaticly, and rise again. To leave in the heat of the moment and return when they are calm. This is not a personal attack. The mun and I have talked this out, but how can we uphold those rules, and be so rabid about it, when its still so new to enforce them? Restored to positions of power, when they haven't earned the love of the people.
Maggie will not hold a position of power in the kingdom, and she has in the past. She was Most Valuable Player, Most loved, Adviser, HC, DL. Some of them were too stressful. Some of them I couldn't do the justice to the position I should have. So, Maggie is just Maggie.
As far as crossing OOC and IC....we all know its wrong. We all do it sometimes. There just really needs to be checks and balances.
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Post by LadyGelinaGrey on Feb 11, 2004 0:56:10 GMT -5
Well that was lovely...maybe I should just leave again if I am not so " deserving " after all I have done. Offended? Yes...when it is put that way I am. I really don't care anymore...It's not about banishment to me anymore..it's about who I will and will not play with. Do what you all want. I don't care.
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Post by LadyGelinaGrey on Feb 11, 2004 9:48:54 GMT -5
Side Note: And Lina has earned the love of the people. A looooong time ago. I just love that it's ok for everyone else and not for me...yes exceptions have been made for me...but I also EARNED what I have. And the rules will NEVER be enforced. So I am not going to even try anymore. No one will listen to Nicho, Desari or myself. So what does it really matter? Everyone does what they want anyway. And it's because of all this crap that I have been spending alot of time away from the computer. I don't need this crap. I have a life. A real one. I decided to come back and rp a little with my friends after about a week and all I caught was shit. I guess I can't even breathe anymore. And yes I am ranting...and yes I am pissed. And I really don't care what you all think anymore. Someone let me know when it's safe to come back and rp when it's fun again.
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Post by Stoic Soul on Feb 11, 2004 10:21:04 GMT -5
I think this line of discussion should be dropped. Whats done is done and nothing can be done to change that. Caelum and Summer were banished for valid reasons. Some may not think so, but Nicho wouldnt have banished them unless the reaons were valid. And about people who were banished returning, if there are good reasons to why aperson who was banished should be allowed to return, and Nicho agrees, then by all means, let them come back. Also, Maggie, even if the person banished is a friend, that doesnt mean they should automatically be allowed to return
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Post by kiakblackthorne on Feb 11, 2004 10:56:33 GMT -5
It is really a moot point now...
Caelum lost a death match last night and I am not sure what happened exactly but Summer died during the match.
Anyway... It was just a discussion little friend.
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Post by LadyGelinaGrey on Feb 11, 2004 13:25:07 GMT -5
It was a moot point to begin with. No cares.
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